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Postby Pauly » 10th Jun 08, 09:11

Just seen this thread, if you need some more guitar parts let me know - I'd be more than happy to oblige :D
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Postby nuno75 » 10th Jun 08, 09:29

Pauly wrote:Just seen this thread, if you need some more guitar parts let me know - I'd be more than happy to oblige :D


Well, if you're technologically able to collaborate with me, I'd be more than happy to work with you. I just don't know another way, with me being in the US and just about everyone here being in England.

All I need is for you to be able to send me a .wav or high quality mp3 of your guitar part. The hard part is making sure it's the right tempo and in the right key... and is only the guitar part, with no background music.

The best case scenario would be if you can record with your PC and have multitrack recording software.

If you can do that, then it's just a matter of deciding what song to do.
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Postby Pauly » 10th Jun 08, 09:54

nuno75 wrote:
Pauly wrote:Just seen this thread, if you need some more guitar parts let me know - I'd be more than happy to oblige :D


Well, if you're technologically able to collaborate with me, I'd be more than happy to work with you. I just don't know another way, with me being in the US and just about everyone here being in England.


*cough Scotland *cough :wink: :D

All I need is for you to be able to send me a .wav or high quality mp3 of your guitar part. The hard part is making sure it's the right tempo and in the right key... and is only the guitar part, with no background music.

The best case scenario would be if you can record with your PC and have multitrack recording software.

If you can do that, then it's just a matter of deciding what song to do.


I have Audacity on one of my PCs although I have to admit that I haven't used it much so don't really know its capabilities. I'm not exactly busy at work at the moment so I'll download the user manual and see if it'll work. If I need to I can record the original track or a click onto my mp3 player and play my part while listening to that.

Let me know if this is any good for you.

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Postby nuno75 » 10th Jun 08, 10:03

Pauly wrote:
nuno75 wrote:
Pauly wrote:Just seen this thread, if you need some more guitar parts let me know - I'd be more than happy to oblige :D


Well, if you're technologically able to collaborate with me, I'd be more than happy to work with you. I just don't know another way, with me being in the US and just about everyone here being in England.


*cough Scotland *cough :wink: :D

All I need is for you to be able to send me a .wav or high quality mp3 of your guitar part. The hard part is making sure it's the right tempo and in the right key... and is only the guitar part, with no background music.

The best case scenario would be if you can record with your PC and have multitrack recording software.

If you can do that, then it's just a matter of deciding what song to do.


I have Audacity on one of my PCs although I have to admit that I haven't used it much so don't really know its capabilities. I'm not exactly busy at work at the moment so I'll download the user manual and see if it'll work. If I need to I can record the original track or a click onto my mp3 player and play my part while listening to that.

Let me know if this is any good for you.

Cheers
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Okay... a quick Google tells me Audacity is an audio recording/editing program, but not a multitrack recorder. That's okay though because, as you said, you can still record while listening to the background music through your iPod.

Now, it's just a matter of choosing a song and pounding out the details.

My first instinct is to say let me put together a drum track, or at least establish a tempo. It's vital that you and I are on the same page regarding tempo from step 1. Also, will you be handling all of the guitar work? Depending on the song this could mean laying down five or six different guitar tracks... given the nature of most Wildhearts music. I can handle bass, but if you're capable... or someone else can step forward... that's cool too.

So... do you have any ideas for songs to do? Would you rather do it like the original or mix things up a little? Can you do any vocals?

Actually... we can continue this via email so as not to clutter the board too much more.
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Postby nuno75 » 10th Jun 08, 10:09

Oh... and my email is nuno75@comcast.net

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If yuo can, try to throw together something like an audition tape of you just kind of jamming around on your guitar. So I can A. hear how good your setup is and see what we'll need to do to get the best possible recording and B. to make sure you can play before I get my hopes up about this. :D
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Postby Pauly » 10th Jun 08, 10:38

Emailed :D
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Postby Assmask » 10th Jun 08, 12:11

Actually Audacity can do loads stuff - I used to use it before I got Cubase.

One way of doing it is to set Audacity to record "What you hear" then play the MP3 back and Audacity will record it. The extra part could then be recorded over that, then the two can be exported as an MP3.

I'd like to collaborate on something like this but I think that the Vanilla Radio (which sounds brilliant by the way) is too close to completion.

Nuno, once again your drums sound amazing. I have dl'ed Fruityloops but as Ii couldn't get my head around it in 5 mins I have given up. I have, however,just upgraded to a new version of PC Drummer which is supposed t sound a lot better. Even so, if I was to join in with a collaboration, I'd hope you can do the drum parts! I'd quite ahppily add some guitar/bass + some backing vox.

Just an initial suggestion - The Song Formerly Known As? Do Anything (minus the intro)?
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Postby Babelrich » 10th Jun 08, 12:25

So, I was thinking of recording a 'clean' version of something off EN, probably Urge. Is that something that would interest people?
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Postby Assmask » 10th Jun 08, 12:29

Yeah I was thinking something along those lines
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Postby nuno75 » 10th Jun 08, 12:55

Assmask wrote:Actually Audacity can do loads stuff - I used to use it before I got Cubase.

One way of doing it is to set Audacity to record "What you hear" then play the MP3 back and Audacity will record it. The extra part could then be recorded over that, then the two can be exported as an MP3.

I'd like to collaborate on something like this but I think that the Vanilla Radio (which sounds brilliant by the way) is too close to completion.

Nuno, once again your drums sound amazing. I have dl'ed Fruityloops but as Ii couldn't get my head around it in 5 mins I have given up. I have, however,just upgraded to a new version of PC Drummer which is supposed t sound a lot better. Even so, if I was to join in with a collaboration, I'd hope you can do the drum parts! I'd quite ahppily add some guitar/bass + some backing vox.

Just an initial suggestion - The Song Formerly Known As? Do Anything (minus the intro)?


If I understand what you're saying, you're suggesting playing back the BG music and recording vocals directly on top of it, resulting in one file with the music and vocals together?

If that's the case, I see what you're going for... but I'd really like to avoid that sort of thing as much as possible and get all of the tracks as individuals in order to really run them through a proper mixing process. Doing it the way (I think) you're suggesting would be removing a massive amount of flexibility when it comes to mixing and getting all of the levels right. For instance, if for some reason we decided that any of the instruments or needed to be adjusted (level/panning/EQ) in any way at all, we wouldn't be able to without adjusting everything in the song at the same time. It's basically a case of making sure you get absolutely perfect the first time or else do it all over again. That, my friend, would suck.

Thanks for your kind words regarding my recording. I worked very hard on all aspects. I'll be happy to supply drum tracks, plus general mixing duties, for anything anyone needs... so long as it's something I can do. Some stuff might a little tough though... like the intro to Caffeine Bomb.

The Song Formerly Known As ? - I love this song and have thought about covering it too. The only thing about this song that I could not handle is the vocals. It's just barely out of my range... and I'm pretty sure the opening riff would be too tricky to try to change the key of the whole song on. So... if we can find another singer for it, I'll put down whatever I need to, be it guitar, bass or drums... even some backup vocals.

Do Anything - Not a favorite of mine, but still definitely good enough that I could put my heart into it in any capacity needed.


As far as Endless, Nameless songs go... Anthem has always been on my list of songs to cover, even before this project. I even used to do it in a band I was in. Very fun song to play. Urge would be a really good one too... but unfortunately I cannot scream... at all. I wish to god I knew the trick of it, but sadly I don't. I could do everything in that song except for the chorus. Same goes for Nurse Maximum. I've tried several times to get my own version of Pissjoy going as well, but I think I've come to the conclusion that, even though I love the song, it's just not put together in a way that I can comfortably cover. I just can't translate it into riffs and rhythms that sound good when I play them somehow... If any of that makes any sense.


Anyway... I'm here for any of you in any way at all that I can help. I can put together a pretty mean drum track... and I'm pretty good at rhythm guitar stuff. I can do some lead, but not much. I can sing, but I'm far from being anything special... and I can't scream at all. I know my way around on a bass, but only the basic stuff.
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Postby Assmask » 10th Jun 08, 13:24

nuno75 wrote:
If that's the case, I see what you're going for... but I'd really like to avoid that sort of thing as much as possible and get all of the tracks as individuals in order to really run them through a proper mixing process. Doing it the way (I think) you're suggesting would be removing a massive amount of flexibility when it comes to mixing and getting all of the levels right. For instance, if for some reason we decided that any of the instruments or needed to be adjusted (level/panning/EQ) in any way at all, we wouldn't be able to without adjusting everything in the song at the same time. It's basically a case of making sure you get absolutely perfect the first time or else do it all over again. That, my friend, would suck.


I agree, plus the more times it takes place the more you lose quality etc etc. Therefore one way would be to perform what I describe above then delete the original track beforoe exporting as an MP3. leaving you with a nre track in the same key and to the same tempo as the original bit of music. Then the tricky part would be upon yourself to get it in sync with the rest of the project.

Actualy one woudn't even need to record the original trcak, could just use Audacity to record the new track while the original was being played in the background. Actually, isn't that what you suggested in the first place?

OK, and with reagds Known As? - could always tune down a step, or go up a few with a Capo? I know I struggle hugely singing any Wildhearts or Ginger song, which is really gutting. And as far as Urge goes - who said screaming is required? If we're changing the mix away from the heavily distorted then why not consider a more melodious, vocal harmony approach?
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Postby Babelrich » 10th Jun 08, 17:25

Yeah That's what I was thinking re: Urge something along the lines of the Live Begins... version but maybe doing something different with the really heavy bits. I'll have a word with my guys and see if we can knock something rough up to give you an idea.
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Postby Ean » 10th Jun 08, 23:57

nuno75 wrote:Some stuff might a little tough though... like the intro to Caffeine Bomb.

I don't know whether this is any help?

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I've transcribed it into GuitarPro's percussion section and it plays pretty well - it's not the best player though, and sometimes loses the beat a bit, but it works.
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Postby nuno75 » 11th Jun 08, 00:25

Ean wrote:
nuno75 wrote:Some stuff might a little tough though... like the intro to Caffeine Bomb.

I don't know whether this is any help?

[I've transcribed it into GuitarPro's percussion section and it plays pretty well - it's not the best player though, and sometimes loses the beat a bit, but it works.


I can't read sheet music to save my life, friend... but thanks for the effort. I can hear what's being done... it's just that I can't quite make it sound right with my fake-ass drums.
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Postby nuno75 » 11th Jun 08, 01:38

Never mind. I got it now.

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