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He didn't answer mine.

I actually had a feeling he wouldn't.

nuno75 wrote:He didn't answer mine.

I actually had a feeling he wouldn't.

My band used to cover I Wanna Go Where The People Go, and my guy would always automatically fall into the "other way" of playing the intro and it used to piss me off to no end.

What is the 'other way' anyway?

Ean wrote:

nuno75 wrote:He didn't answer mine.

I actually had a feeling he wouldn't.

My band used to cover I Wanna Go Where The People Go, and my guy would always automatically fall into the "other way" of playing the intro and it used to piss me off to no end.

What is the 'other way' anyway?

You know the opening, when the drums first kick in? Well, the way Rich does it, and the way it is on the album, is a straight driving beat... just a thump, bang, thump, bang.

When Stidi plays it though, he kind of rides with the guitar's rhythm... more like thump, bang, thumpump, bang, thumpump, bang thump, thump bang... it's kind of tough to explain.

Anyway, to me, the straight beat from the album is sort of one of the major defining qualities of that whole riff, the main riff of the song.

The other major part of that is the way the bass goes back and forth between A and D, while the guitars are going back and forth between A and F sharp. Luckily, all of the bass players seem pretty clear about that part. I've only ever heard it played wrong once (with the bass following the guitar and going A/F-sharp), and that was on that covers project that was on-line a while back... but I digress.

Take either of those two things out and, as far as I'm concerned, you've kind of shaved the eyebrows of the entire riff.

but I digress.
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Either that or you've just gone fuckin insane.

Easier way of explaining it.

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Sir Euan wrote:Easier way of explaining it.

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Exactly! Anyway, Stidi's way is cool too... I just happen to prefer Ritch's style. He tends to go his own way more often, provide a backbone for everyone else to build from, and often more driving, flowing rhythms. With Stidi it feels more like he came along after the fact and built off of what the other guys were doing.

Two styles, each good for their own reasons.

nuno75 wrote:The other major part of that is the way the bass goes back and forth between A and D, while the guitars are going back and forth between A and F sharp. Luckily, all of the bass players seem pretty clear about that part. I've only ever heard it played wrong once (with the bass following the guitar and going A/F-sharp), and that was on that covers project that was on-line a while back... but I digress.

Yes, well, frankly they need a slap and a large pack of Q-tips then...

nuno75 wrote:

Sir Euan wrote:Easier way of explaining it.

http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/ ... 24f61a.flv

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Exactly! Anyway, Stidi's way is cool too... I just happen to prefer Ritch's style. He tends to go his own way more often, provide a backbone for everyone else to build from, and often more driving, flowing rhythms. With Stidi it feels more like he came along after the fact and built off of what the other guys were doing.

Two styles, each good for their own reasons.

Hmmm, not sure even Ritch agrees with you there as he's pretty much abandoned the straight 8 beat for nearly the same bass pattern as Stidi. Is it just the kicks? or is it also that Stidi tends to play slightly ahead of the beat?

Considering the amount of to-ing and fro-ing there's been on the drumstool, I think they've borrowed pretty much equally from one another by now. There's only so far either of them could stray from the recordings before us musos would start whinging...

Ean wrote:

nuno75 wrote:

Sir Euan wrote:Easier way of explaining it.

http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/ ... 24f61a.flv

Click it!

Exactly! Anyway, Stidi's way is cool too... I just happen to prefer Ritch's style. He tends to go his own way more often, provide a backbone for everyone else to build from, and often more driving, flowing rhythms. With Stidi it feels more like he came along after the fact and built off of what the other guys were doing.

Two styles, each good for their own reasons.

Hmmm, not sure even Ritch agrees with you there as he's pretty much abandoned the straight 8 beat for nearly the same bass pattern as Stidi. Is it just the kicks? or is it also that Stidi tends to play slightly ahead of the beat?

Considering the amount of to-ing and fro-ing there's been on the drumstool, I think they've borrowed pretty much equally from one another by now. There's only so far either of them could stray from the recordings before us musos would start whinging...

It's just the kicks, and as far as I've noticed it's only the intro. In fact, that's the only spot that I've noticed the two of them playing anything particularly differently from each other. Also, I haven't noticed that Ritch has switched to Stidi's style for that spot at all. In fact, here's a mix-up I've put together of the intro between Stidi's performance on Strike Back and Ritch's performance on Geordie (Stidi is first, then it switches to Ritch, and then back and forth another time or two): CLICK

Edit: I've just listened through Ritch doing Vanilla Radio, and there are a few notable differences there too. Now I'm curious to hear Ritch's versions of a lot of the Must Be Destroyed songs, particularly Top Of The World.

nuno75 wrote:

Ean wrote:

nuno75 wrote:

Sir Euan wrote:Easier way of explaining it.

http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/ ... 24f61a.flv

Click it!

Exactly! Anyway, Stidi's way is cool too... I just happen to prefer Ritch's style. He tends to go his own way more often, provide a backbone for everyone else to build from, and often more driving, flowing rhythms. With Stidi it feels more like he came along after the fact and built off of what the other guys were doing.

Two styles, each good for their own reasons.

Hmmm, not sure even Ritch agrees with you there as he's pretty much abandoned the straight 8 beat for nearly the same bass pattern as Stidi. Is it just the kicks? or is it also that Stidi tends to play slightly ahead of the beat?

Considering the amount of to-ing and fro-ing there's been on the drumstool, I think they've borrowed pretty much equally from one another by now. There's only so far either of them could stray from the recordings before us musos would start whinging...

It's just the kicks, and as far as I've noticed it's only the intro. In fact, that's the only spot that I've noticed the two of them playing anything particularly differently from each other. Also, I haven't noticed that Ritch has switched to Stidi's style for that spot at all. In fact, here's a mix-up I've put together of the intro between Stidi's performance on Strike Back and Ritch's performance on Geordie (Stidi is first, then it switches to Ritch, and then back and forth another time or two): CLICK

Edit: I've just listened through Ritch doing Vanilla Radio, and there are a few notable differences there too. Now I'm curious to hear Ritch's versions of a lot of the Must Be Destroyed songs, particularly Top Of The World.

...tha master of subtleties strikes again!

he's a funny bugger

I'm probably wrong here, but on the DVD, Ritch plays part of I wanna go... on hi-hats, whereas if you watch Stidi play at Summer Sonic 2002, he uses the ride cymbal a lot more.
I think there are a lot of differences between Ritch and Stidi's style of playing, simply watching them tells you they are very different (Vanilla Radio for example)

I do love both drummers though.

Colinx

colzo666 wrote:I'm probably wrong here, but on the DVD, Ritch plays part of I wanna go... on hi-hats, whereas if you watch Stidi play at Summer Sonic 2002, he uses the ride cymbal a lot more.
I think there are a lot of differences between Ritch and Stidi's style of playing, simply watching them tells you they are very different (Vanilla Radio for example)

I do love both drummers though.

Colinx

Yeah, Ritch also plays 16's on the hats for the intro whereas Stidi plays 8's on the ride. That's why it comes out slower from Ritch.