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Postby md4man » 1st Nov 07, 02:33

Sorry it's taken a while but I've been very busy & haven't had a lot of time to write up my observations from the Wildhearts' show in Seattle last week. I have read some people lumping the SF & Seattle shows together but in my mind they were two different experiences (I'm basing this on the recording of the SF concert played on the R&R Geek show).

I'll start by pointing out how the shows were similar. Specifically, the crowds. In Seattle there was a pretty good sized crowd when the band went on, a much smaller one half way through, and a miniature one by the end. I got the sense that much of the audience was there for the 3rd band on the bill (there were 4 bands). It was advertised as their final show, they are reasonably popular, & so on. They are also a hard core/punk hybrid band whose style doesn't totally mesh with that of bands that actually emphasize melodies. Also, this show happened on a Wednesday night in a town that just doesn't show or stay up in the middle of the work week. It's asking a lot for a large group of people to stay awake past midnight on a week night.

Another similarity in the sets was the set list. We were treated to the same list as the other US shows, with the exception that we were not shorted as happened in SF. As a matter of fact, Ginger did a couple of solo clean songs in the middle of the set while a guy that acted like he'd never roadied before tuned his guitar. One was "My Old Friend The Blues" & for what ever reason I can't remember what the other was. I guess this became his tune up for the NY show.

So, that's about where I feel the similarities in the shows end.

It may be excitement over finally seeing the WH play after all these years, but I was blown away by the show. As a matter of fact, I didn't even know about the crowd shrinking until after the show ended & my friend described it to me. I was front & center & my eyes never left the stage the whole show. The band was tight as hell & played everything pretty much flawlessly. A big difference between the two shows was Ritch's playing. On the recording from SF, the drums frequently sounded a little off to me. At this show he never missed a beat or made a mistake. I saw him drop a stick once but he still never got a bit off from it. He is really a very solid drummer and did an excellent job in Seattle.

About 2/3 of the way through their set, Ginger had a meltdown over what was happening with the crowd but the tone was different from what I heard on the SF recording. At our show, he calmly thanked everyone that was there and said it was nice being there but he doubted they'd be back beause it doesn't make a lot of sense to show up if no one else does. He also expressed exasperation over the music that is popular in the US and the fact that good music gets nowhere here. Every sentence or so he clarified that he was thankful for our being there but the general environment is frustrating. While I don't see the point in lamenting who isn't there, I must say that if the topic just had to be addressed he handled the subject in about as positive a manner as it could be done.

And by the way, he is right about the Seattle/American music scene.

In all, they played almost 1 hour 45 minutes worth of very, very loud rock that made me a fan of live shows again. I really wish more people had seen it but I know that those who did had a great time. It was nice getting to meet the band (I got to speak with Ginger, CJ, & Scott) and see them up close & in person. I spoke with Ginger & CJ seperately & told each of them I'd waited about 14 years to see them and they both replied in the same way - they they hope they would not disappoint.

They didn't!
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Postby Keith Richard » 1st Nov 07, 04:53

Thanks for taking the time to put all that down in writing. It's just too bad about the SF and now the Seattle gig reactions. Maybe it's time to depart from this part of the world.
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Postby md4man » 1st Nov 07, 05:13

I think just the opposite. If we look realistically at this, the Wildhearts have never had any kind of significant US distribution so it's not reasonable to expect the masses to appreciate them. I think the WH need to play the US constantly to try to build up support here. I don't see them ever getting any bigger here by releasing albums that can either not be found in the US or can only be found for $30 or more in obscure places. We all know how strong this band is but the rest of the country will have no reason to know this until the WH are shoved down their throats at every possible turn.
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Postby Michael Wade » 1st Nov 07, 06:26

I agree. Time for an uprising, with controlled violence! Just kidding, but it would take a flood of exposure to get the WH known over here. Too bad that support slot with AC/DC never happened--that would have done it.

Trying to get the word out about the WH in America is about a easy as trying to get the word out on Jesus in the Middle East. Someone needs to hear it, and then they can decide if they like it.

I mean holy shit, If I bring up Deer Hunting, or Ted Nugent on this board, I know there will be hell to pay. If I went to the UK to see James Blunt or Oasis, the kids at the show wouldn't know who the WH are. And for going to that show, some WH fans would think I was a fag, and I don't mean cigarette. People either hate, love, don't know or don't care.

There are 300m people over here. Some are fat, some are not. Some are dumb, some are not. And some know good music when they hear it, and most do not. The problem is, nobody's even ever heard of the band, less been able to formulate an opinion. If my mate Benny had not gone to see the Darkness and told me about the WH support, I would never have even known they existed.

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Postby nuno75 » 1st Nov 07, 06:40

KIX does a reunion tour every year, not to mention Funny Money pretty much constantly playing. I bet it would be relatively easy to get the two bands together...
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Postby markE » 1st Nov 07, 12:15

what kind of numbers are we talking for the crowd?
why do i have to ignore you to get your attention?
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Postby michelle » 1st Nov 07, 16:01

Michael Wade wrote: If my mate Benny had not gone to see the Darkness and told me about the WH support, I would never have even known they existed.


I'm in the same boat, if I hadn't seen the darkness in chicago I would've had any reason to know who the wildhearts were. But all it took was Ginger stepping in front of the mic to know he was the real deal, I didn't even care about the darkness at that point. I know I'll get some grief from the UK fans over this, but I think he needs to be here. He says that the success doesn't matter and yet when he comes to the US and the crowds aren't up to his expectations he gets upset. In my opinion he needs to be here for an extended period of time to before those non-NYC non LA venues will fill up.
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Postby nuno75 » 1st Nov 07, 16:17

michelle wrote:
Michael Wade wrote: If my mate Benny had not gone to see the Darkness and told me about the WH support, I would never have even known they existed.


I'm in the same boat, if I hadn't seen the darkness in chicago I would've had any reason to know who the wildhearts were. But all it took was Ginger stepping in front of the mic to know he was the real deal, I didn't even care about the darkness at that point. I know I'll get some grief from the UK fans over this, but I think he needs to be here. He says that the success doesn't matter and yet when he comes to the US and the crowds aren't up to his expectations he gets upset. In my opinion he needs to be here for an extended period of time to before those non-NYC non LA venues will fill up.


I wouldn't wish the United States' attitudes about music on my worst musical enemy. Face it, we suck here. Even if the guys came over here and got to be as big as Limp freakin' Bizkit (was... briefly), it wouldn't be five years before the general population will have chucked them over shoulder and made an ass out of them for ever succeeding in the first place.

We did it to an entire genre of music in the early 90's.
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Postby michelle » 1st Nov 07, 17:08

Then our job is to convert our worst musical enemy. I'm not talking about mtv style success. That generation doesn't know good music from shit. I'm just saying to fill those venues and make it worth travelling to play those shows he needs to spend a little time here.
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Postby Keith Richard » 1st Nov 07, 17:37

md4man wrote:I think just the opposite. If we look realistically at this, the Wildhearts have never had any kind of significant US distribution so it's not reasonable to expect the masses to appreciate them. I think the WH need to play the US constantly to try to build up support here. I don't see them ever getting any bigger here by releasing albums that can either not be found in the US or can only be found for $30 or more in obscure places. We all know how strong this band is but the rest of the country will have no reason to know this until the WH are shoved down their throats at every possible turn.


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Postby WiredOut » 1st Nov 07, 23:15

When I was up the Empire State Building last year, I thought that all I'd need to do would be to climb up the railings, hang off the other side and scream that I wasn't coming back over and I was going to fuckin' well jump unless a helicopter played me a Wildhearts song from a mounted speaker.

Do that for a few hours, get on the news as an ongoing live rolling drama and the Wildies have split America's consciousness open. Job, quite clearly, done.

Who's up for it?
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Postby md4man » 2nd Nov 07, 01:58

WiredOut wrote:When I was up the Empire State Building last year, I thought that all I'd need to do would be to climb up the railings, hang off the other side and scream that I wasn't coming back over and I was going to fuckin' well jump unless a helicopter played me a Wildhearts song from a mounted speaker.

Do that for a few hours, get on the news as an ongoing live rolling drama and the Wildies have split America's consciousness open. Job, quite clearly, done.

Who's up for it?


This is a great idea for another string: Outrageous stunts to get attention for the Wildhearts!

For example, Take an old beater truck & paint the Wildhearts' logo on it. While you're at it, paint "BOMB" on it as well. Crank up the WH in it's stereo & leave it sitting in front of a Federal government building. A truck marked "Bomb" left parked in front of such a location is going to make the evening news. I know this because we had that happen in Seattle a few years ago & it was on the news & in the papers for days. Free press galore!
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Postby beerofthedark » 2nd Nov 07, 16:55

md4man wrote:
WiredOut wrote:When I was up the Empire State Building last year, I thought that all I'd need to do would be to climb up the railings, hang off the other side and scream that I wasn't coming back over and I was going to fuckin' well jump unless a helicopter played me a Wildhearts song from a mounted speaker.

Do that for a few hours, get on the news as an ongoing live rolling drama and the Wildies have split America's consciousness open. Job, quite clearly, done.

Who's up for it?


This is a great idea for another string: Outrageous stunts to get attention for the Wildhearts!

For example, Take an old beater truck & paint the Wildhearts' logo on it. While you're at it, paint "BOMB" on it as well. Crank up the WH in it's stereo & leave it sitting in front of a Federal government building. A truck marked "Bomb" left parked in front of such a location is going to make the evening news. I know this because we had that happen in Seattle a few years ago & it was on the news & in the papers for days. Free press galore!


Caffeine Bomb? :lol: :oops:
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Postby nig1012 » 2nd Nov 07, 18:39

beerofthedark wrote:
md4man wrote:
WiredOut wrote:When I was up the Empire State Building last year, I thought that all I'd need to do would be to climb up the railings, hang off the other side and scream that I wasn't coming back over and I was going to fuckin' well jump unless a helicopter played me a Wildhearts song from a mounted speaker.

Do that for a few hours, get on the news as an ongoing live rolling drama and the Wildies have split America's consciousness open. Job, quite clearly, done.

Who's up for it?


This is a great idea for another string: Outrageous stunts to get attention for the Wildhearts!

For example, Take an old beater truck & paint the Wildhearts' logo on it. While you're at it, paint "BOMB" on it as well. Crank up the WH in it's stereo & leave it sitting in front of a Federal government building. A truck marked "Bomb" left parked in front of such a location is going to make the evening news. I know this because we had that happen in Seattle a few years ago & it was on the news & in the papers for days. Free press galore!


Caffeine Bomb? :lol: :oops:



very good :lol:
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Postby WiredOut » 3rd Nov 07, 04:21

md4man wrote:
WiredOut wrote:When I was up the Empire State Building last year, I thought that all I'd need to do would be to climb up the railings, hang off the other side and scream that I wasn't coming back over and I was going to fuckin' well jump unless a helicopter played me a Wildhearts song from a mounted speaker.

Do that for a few hours, get on the news as an ongoing live rolling drama and the Wildies have split America's consciousness open. Job, quite clearly, done.

Who's up for it?


This is a great idea for another string: Outrageous stunts to get attention for the Wildhearts!

For example, Take an old beater truck & paint the Wildhearts' logo on it. While you're at it, paint "BOMB" on it as well. Crank up the WH in it's stereo & leave it sitting in front of a Federal government building. A truck marked "Bomb" left parked in front of such a location is going to make the evening news. I know this because we had that happen in Seattle a few years ago & it was on the news & in the papers for days. Free press galore!



NOW we're fuckin thinkin.

With my plan, all it needs is a whipround for 2 flights (one escaping to this green isle), 10 pints of ratarse, admission to that giant edifice of crystallized ego-spunk and bail.

Easy. Cunt it. :)
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