Will the album make the top 40??

[inglorious01]

Even though HMV and some online stores are selling the album before next week, is it even going to make a huge difference anyway? I think the last two albums got nowhere near the top 40 so it doesn't matter that a few people have it early.

I'm sure it's success in the longer term that the band and their management care about most. That will happen if their songs get played on the radio and on the tv. So let's hope the guys get some long overdue success!

[Silkenone]

Well, if it counts for anything, it's currently No3 in Amazon's pre-order chart

[geordierussell]

Depends on how many have been sold this week (before the official release).

That might impact on sales if they have been registered for the wrong week.

[Soundog]

Well, if it counts for anything, it's currently No3 in Amazon's pre-order chart

That made me visit the amazon.co.uk site and I found that
1. As far as I can see it's on 24 in the music charts, but I couldn't find the preorder chart anywhere.
2. Someone wrote a review, and while he gives 4 stars, the review is totally rubbish in parts. Now I'm not for blindly praising anything a band does, but to say that "Rooting..." somehow isn't a track that represents the WHs can only come from someone whose collection consists of the Sick Of Drugs single. Or something. I think it's time to add some decent reviews.

edit: Oh, and his comparisons are just plain sh*te...

[firedup]

Well, if it counts for anything, it's currently No3 in Amazon's pre-order chart

That made me visit the amazon.co.uk site and I found that
1. As far as I can see it's on 24 in the music charts, but I couldn't find the preorder chart anywhere.
2. Someone wrote a review, and while he gives 4 stars, the review is totally rubbish in parts. Now I'm not for blindly praising anything a band does, but to say that "Rooting..." somehow isn't a track that represents the WHs can only come from someone whose collection consists of the Sick Of Drugs single. Or something. I think it's time to add some decent reviews.

edit: Oh, and his comparisons are just plain sh*te...

here here, the review is shit I agee. BTW the album was at number 30 in play.coms best sellers last time I looked!

[Ean]

Depends on how many have been sold this week (before the official release).

That might impact on sales if they have been registered for the wrong week.

Considering it's only through this board that most people know it's out there early, and that even then it's only in a handful of stores - and most of them only had a few copies out, I'd have thought (hoped) you could probably count the sales in tens rather than hundreds.

Well, if it counts for anything, it's currently No3 in Amazon's pre-order chart

That made me visit the amazon.co.uk site and I found that
1. As far as I can see it's on 24 in the music charts, but I couldn't find the preorder chart anywhere.

Amazon Uk Pre-Order Chart - Currently number 6

Bestsellers Chart - Currently number 35

Would a cover scan have killed 'em...?

[WiredOut]

To be honest, I don't really care where they chart anymore.

Maybe it’s cos I’m in my late-twenties now, and no longer feel the sneaking need to measure the validity of my own musical tastes by who else might be converted, or by how many I or others might convert. I love it…if the rest of the world are apparently a cadre of cloth-eared, cardigan-souled muppets, who cares? Maybe you’ve gotta be weird to pleasurably reconcile all of Ginger’s songwriting elements anyway…’Be inspired; a freak with pride.’

Our sources of musical consumption have become more fragmented and more democratised. It seems that Ginger will always have a healthy fanbase, and now we don't have to rely on midweek magazine middlemen in order to inform us of the movements/achievements of the band/artist. I think most people here now bypass that stuff as a primary source, and are merely interested in how those write-ups compare and contrast with their own opinions and the opinions of other fans; rather than treating them as something which might semi-crystallize their own or others’ perspectives or appraisals ahead of official release.

While positive coverage in K! or whatever might still help, it's no longer the primary channel through which people can access the music. It's all more diffuse. Influences spread more organically now, and people can access music they're not necessarily paying for.

To be honest (and perhaps a bit presumptuous), I don't really care if some 'casual' fans are downloading the music, but not currently paying for it. They may well be influenced by exposure to do so in the future. I will still pay, and I suspect that 90% of people bothering to read this will too. The hardcore mass will want to have hard copies of what's available…or to pay to download. I don't think Ginger's necessarily losing out in commercial terms. He's never going to eat the world now...he has a hardcore base of fans, and the natural creativity to generate enough material to keep him off his uppers, and to keep us fuckers hooked. He’s not a growth industry, but he has the consistency and the reliability to shield him from the vicissitudes of fashion.

Or maybe I’m talking shite, I dunno…just some thoughts.

Anyway, The Wildies have charted badly for 10 years now....what was 'Endless Nameless'? 41 for about a week, from what I remember. Has any of this really affected any of our enjoyment? We're a clique of freaks....so, like, fuck it.

[seventieslord]

To be honest, I don't really care where they chart anymore.

Maybe it’s cos I’m in my late-twenties now, and no longer feel the sneaking need to measure the validity of my own musical tastes by who else might be converted, or by how many I or others might convert. I love it…if the rest of the world are apparently a cadre of cloth-eared, cardigan-souled muppets, who cares? Maybe you’ve gotta be weird to pleasurably reconcile all of Ginger’s songwriting elements anyway…’Be inspired; a freak with pride.’

Our sources of musical consumption have become more fragmented and more democratised. It seems that Ginger will always have a healthy fanbase, and now we don't have to rely on midweek magazine middlemen in order to inform us of the movements/achievements of the band/artist. I think most people here now bypass that stuff as a primary source, and are merely interested in how those write-ups compare and contrast with their own opinions and the opinions of other fans; rather than treating them as something which might semi-crystallize their own or others’ perspectives or appraisals ahead of official release.

While positive coverage in K! or whatever might still help, it's no longer the primary channel through which people can access the music. It's all more diffuse. Influences spread more organically now, and people can access music they're not necessarily paying for.

To be honest (and perhaps a bit presumptuous), I don't really care if some 'casual' fans are downloading the music, but not currently paying for it. They may well be influenced by exposure to do so in the future. I will still pay, and I suspect that 90% of people bothering to read this will too. The hardcore mass will want to have hard copies of what's available…or to pay to download. I don't think Ginger's necessarily losing out in commercial terms. He's never going to eat the world now...he has a hardcore base of fans, and the natural creativity to generate enough material to keep him off his uppers, and to keep us fuckers hooked. He’s not a growth industry, but he has the consistency and the reliability to shield him from the vicissitudes of fashion.

Or maybe I’m talking shite, I dunno…just some thoughts.

Anyway, The Wildies have charted badly for 10 years now....what was 'Endless Nameless'? 41 for about a week, from what I remember. Has any of this really affected any of our enjoyment? We're a clique of freaks....so, like, fuck it.

Nice post.

[WiredOut]

To be honest, I don't really care where they chart anymore.

Maybe it’s cos I’m in my late-twenties now, and no longer feel the sneaking need to measure the validity of my own musical tastes by who else might be converted, or by how many I or others might convert. I love it…if the rest of the world are apparently a cadre of cloth-eared, cardigan-souled muppets, who cares? Maybe you’ve gotta be weird to pleasurably reconcile all of Ginger’s songwriting elements anyway…’Be inspired; a freak with pride.’

Our sources of musical consumption have become more fragmented and more democratised. It seems that Ginger will always have a healthy fanbase, and now we don't have to rely on midweek magazine middlemen in order to inform us of the movements/achievements of the band/artist. I think most people here now bypass that stuff as a primary source, and are merely interested in how those write-ups compare and contrast with their own opinions and the opinions of other fans; rather than treating them as something which might semi-crystallize their own or others’ perspectives or appraisals ahead of official release.

While positive coverage in K! or whatever might still help, it's no longer the primary channel through which people can access the music. It's all more diffuse. Influences spread more organically now, and people can access music they're not necessarily paying for.

To be honest (and perhaps a bit presumptuous), I don't really care if some 'casual' fans are downloading the music, but not currently paying for it. They may well be influenced by exposure to do so in the future. I will still pay, and I suspect that 90% of people bothering to read this will too. The hardcore mass will want to have hard copies of what's available…or to pay to download. I don't think Ginger's necessarily losing out in commercial terms. He's never going to eat the world now...he has a hardcore base of fans, and the natural creativity to generate enough material to keep him off his uppers, and to keep us fuckers hooked. He’s not a growth industry, but he has the consistency and the reliability to shield him from the vicissitudes of fashion.

Or maybe I’m talking shite, I dunno…just some thoughts.

Anyway, The Wildies have charted badly for 10 years now....what was 'Endless Nameless'? 41 for about a week, from what I remember. Has any of this really affected any of our enjoyment? We're a clique of freaks....so, like, fuck it.

Nice post.

Cheers!

[firedup]

To be honest, I don't really care where they chart anymore.

Maybe it’s cos I’m in my late-twenties now, and no longer feel the sneaking need to measure the validity of my own musical tastes by who else might be converted, or by how many I or others might convert. I love it…if the rest of the world are apparently a cadre of cloth-eared, cardigan-souled muppets, who cares? Maybe you’ve gotta be weird to pleasurably reconcile all of Ginger’s songwriting elements anyway…’Be inspired; a freak with pride.’

Our sources of musical consumption have become more fragmented and more democratised. It seems that Ginger will always have a healthy fanbase, and now we don't have to rely on midweek magazine middlemen in order to inform us of the movements/achievements of the band/artist. I think most people here now bypass that stuff as a primary source, and are merely interested in how those write-ups compare and contrast with their own opinions and the opinions of other fans; rather than treating them as something which might semi-crystallize their own or others’ perspectives or appraisals ahead of official release.

While positive coverage in K! or whatever might still help, it's no longer the primary channel through which people can access the music. It's all more diffuse. Influences spread more organically now, and people can access music they're not necessarily paying for.

To be honest (and perhaps a bit presumptuous), I don't really care if some 'casual' fans are downloading the music, but not currently paying for it. They may well be influenced by exposure to do so in the future. I will still pay, and I suspect that 90% of people bothering to read this will too. The hardcore mass will want to have hard copies of what's available…or to pay to download. I don't think Ginger's necessarily losing out in commercial terms. He's never going to eat the world now...he has a hardcore base of fans, and the natural creativity to generate enough material to keep him off his uppers, and to keep us fuckers hooked. He’s not a growth industry, but he has the consistency and the reliability to shield him from the vicissitudes of fashion.

Or maybe I’m talking shite, I dunno…just some thoughts.

Anyway, The Wildies have charted badly for 10 years now....what was 'Endless Nameless'? 41 for about a week, from what I remember. Has any of this really affected any of our enjoyment? We're a clique of freaks....so, like, fuck it.

I agree with you to some extent, but I'm sure I would'nt be the only one on this board to be absolutely over the fucking moon if the album did well and The Wldhearts got the recognition they deserve for once instead of the current drivel of American Emu music or whatever it's called.

I'm hopng it goes top 10 and will be dissapointed if i does'nt, but not necessarily surprised.

[Zo]

American Emu music or whatever it's called.

hehe - that made me chuckle.

Quote from Dingwall last night at a local gig..

Ding: It smells out here
Me: Of what?
Ding: Emo.

[WiredOut]

To be honest, I don't really care where they chart anymore.

Maybe it’s cos I’m in my late-twenties now, and no longer feel the sneaking need to measure the validity of my own musical tastes by who else might be converted, or by how many I or others might convert. I love it…if the rest of the world are apparently a cadre of cloth-eared, cardigan-souled muppets, who cares? Maybe you’ve gotta be weird to pleasurably reconcile all of Ginger’s songwriting elements anyway…’Be inspired; a freak with pride.’

Our sources of musical consumption have become more fragmented and more democratised. It seems that Ginger will always have a healthy fanbase, and now we don't have to rely on midweek magazine middlemen in order to inform us of the movements/achievements of the band/artist. I think most people here now bypass that stuff as a primary source, and are merely interested in how those write-ups compare and contrast with their own opinions and the opinions of other fans; rather than treating them as something which might semi-crystallize their own or others’ perspectives or appraisals ahead of official release.

While positive coverage in K! or whatever might still help, it's no longer the primary channel through which people can access the music. It's all more diffuse. Influences spread more organically now, and people can access music they're not necessarily paying for.

To be honest (and perhaps a bit presumptuous), I don't really care if some 'casual' fans are downloading the music, but not currently paying for it. They may well be influenced by exposure to do so in the future. I will still pay, and I suspect that 90% of people bothering to read this will too. The hardcore mass will want to have hard copies of what's available…or to pay to download. I don't think Ginger's necessarily losing out in commercial terms. He's never going to eat the world now...he has a hardcore base of fans, and the natural creativity to generate enough material to keep him off his uppers, and to keep us fuckers hooked. He’s not a growth industry, but he has the consistency and the reliability to shield him from the vicissitudes of fashion.

Or maybe I’m talking shite, I dunno…just some thoughts.

Anyway, The Wildies have charted badly for 10 years now....what was 'Endless Nameless'? 41 for about a week, from what I remember. Has any of this really affected any of our enjoyment? We're a clique of freaks....so, like, fuck it.

I agree with you to some extent, but I'm sure I would'nt be the only one on this board to be absolutely over the fucking moon if the album did well and The Wldhearts got the recognition they deserve for once instead of the current drivel of American Emu music or whatever it's called.

I'm hopng it goes top 10 and will be dissapointed if i does'nt, but not necessarily surprised.

Yeah, I know, it would be nice, but then they were actually popular in the mainstream press (when I first became aware of them) for a brief period as 'PHUQ' went to 6 in
the UK charts. From 10 years of exposing them to other people though, I think that most folk have trouble 'getting' the mixture of time changes, 'ugly' (as the band themselves have recently described it) riffs and pop melodies. Another thing is that the mix often seems to have the vocals half-buried in the guitars. For me, it usually takes a few listens in order for familiarity to dredge the melody lines clear of the bassiness of the broiling guitars underneath. Even on the new album. It seems that a lot of casual listeners can't come to terms with it, from my experience. It is a pretty weird musical mixture, in some ways.

I think about the qualities of their highest-charting singles - 'Sick Of Drugs' was relatively 'light', while 'I Wanna Go...' and 'Stormy In The North...' pretty much stuck to one rhythm and dispensed with complex riffage. I would say that 'I Wanna Go...' probably succeeded despite the heavy sound, because it had such extraordinary hooks and melody, even for a Wildies track. Admit I'm a bit stumped about 'Stormy...' though, as I don't think it's that great myself. Even then, 'I Wanna Go...' seemed to be the only track with more than a week's staying power in the charts from what I know. I may be wrong about all of this, but just throwing stuff out there...

[WiredOut]

Without trying to be flippant:

Why do we love The Wildhearts?

'Cos they have a unique/crazy mixture of sounds that no other band quite has.

Why do lots of people not like The Wildhearts?

'Cos they have a unique/crazy mixture of sounds that no other band quite has.

[davejnick]

Quote from Dingwall last night at a local gig..

Ding: It smells out here
Me: Of what?
Ding: Emo.

The man's a fuckin' genius!

[firedup]

Without trying to be flippant:

Why do we love The Wildhearts?

'Cos they have a unique/crazy mixture of sounds that no other band quite has.

Why do lots of people not like The Wildhearts?

'Cos they have a unique/crazy mixture of sounds that no other band quite has.

yeah yeah I know, and I too remember them being number 6 with PHUQ. And I agree with your analysis of why other people don't "get it". I think the only album that stood a chance of making it commercially (perhaps the new one included) since PHUQ was Must be Destroyed.

Still, fingers crossed the rest of the country / world will wake up and start to get soe decent taste. They're the freaks. Not us.