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WH Tribute Album? Need Volunteers to Coordinate

Postby nuno75 » 28th May 07, 19:05

I'm a musician and The Wildhearts have influenced my playing and writing far more than anyone else has. I do a lot of solo recording here in my home, since I can't seem to keep a live band going long enough to get serious.... but I'm pretty much a fully-functional one-man-band here in my living room. Whether I'm any good or not is up to the observer though. :D

Anyway, for the longest time I've been planning to record a five or six track Wildhearts tribute album... made up of mostly songs that I've played in various bands (Caffeine Bomb, Anthem, Nita Nitro, I Wanna Go Where The People Go, Vanilla Radio, My Baby Is A Headfuck). I had planned on naming the album "Show Me A Hero - A Tribute To The Wildhearts".... though it wouldn't really be anything more than some CDR's passed around to friends and family and some mp3's passed around the net. All very informal.

But now I've found this place, and I know I've heard a couple of you allude to playing instruments and/or being in bands, and it's occurred to me that maybe there are some other people around that might want to work together to make something like this happen... you know, just for something to do... just for fun.

So... anyone out there with the ability to play and record, and with the desire to be a part of something like this?
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Postby geordierussell » 28th May 07, 19:09

How about a virtual band.

We each record a part, bass, geetar, drum and vocals. and send it to the owner/producer etc.
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Postby nuno75 » 28th May 07, 19:17

geordierussell wrote:How about a virtual band.

We each record a part, bass, geetar, drum and vocals. and send it to the owner/producer etc.


That had occurred to me too... that it would be a very likely thing to run into people who can record bass, guitar or vocals perfectly well but are unable to get drums recorded... in a case like that, I could help people out. I'm not a great singer, but I'm definitely passable as a guitarist and/or bassist and I can lay down a pretty mean drum track... but fair warning, I use sampled drums... but I like to think I'm a pretty accomplished drum programmer and many a drummer has told me they wouldn't have known if I hadn't told them.

Here's a little demo I put together from my last sample set: Drum Demo
But I'm currently assembling a better set.

Anyway, yes... I would be interested in collaborating with other musicians as well, but I'd still like to get at least one track on there completely on my own.
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Postby Assmask » 28th May 07, 19:59

What do you do your drums on?

I use PCDrummer but I don't think it's as good as what you're using. That sounds great. Yeah, I do home recordingt as well, follow my autosg to hear some crappy myspace tracks i did, and would be interested in your project.
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Postby nuno75 » 28th May 07, 20:13

Assmask wrote:What do you do your drums on?

I use PCDrummer but I don't think it's as good as what you're using. That sounds great. Yeah, I do home recordingt as well, follow my autosg to hear some crappy myspace tracks i did, and would be interested in your project.


I like your music! I wish there were people interested in that sort of music where I live. Here everyone is uptight and picky about their music... and everyone is hardcore something or other. Either only punk, or only metal, or only eighties glam or only weirdo art-shit, or only "classic" rock. There's positively no scene where I live for just contemporary good-times rock music. I would so start a band with you if the geography allowed. I'm in the US, by the way.

Anyway... I use Fruity Loops for my drums. It allows me to load in whatever (and however many) samples I want. The set of samples I used in that demo and in the most recent of my recordings is made up of 261 drum samples... all hijacked directly from other software. Here's something like what it would look like if it were a real set:

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I expect the new sample-set to have somewhere closer to a thousand samples.
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Postby Keith Richard » 28th May 07, 20:24

geordierussell wrote:How about a virtual band.

We each record a part, bass, geetar, drum and vocals. and send it to the owner/producer etc.


My ambition is be a part of a band. Nothing serious obviously...but just to have a bass and drums behind would be friggin awesome. Maybe I'll be good enough one day to carry this off.
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Postby nuno75 » 28th May 07, 20:26

Keith Richard wrote:
geordierussell wrote:How about a virtual band.

We each record a part, bass, geetar, drum and vocals. and send it to the owner/producer etc.


My ambition is be a part of a band. Nothing serious obviously...but just to have a bass and drums behind would be friggin awesome. Maybe I'll be good enough one day to carry this off.


Do you play? You left out guitar from your list so I assume that's your instrument. No reason why you couldn't supply guitar for a song or two on this thing if you've got the proper chops.
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Postby nuno75 » 28th May 07, 21:04

As a sort of resume', here are a couple of things that I've recorded in the past:

This is one that I started a long time ago but ended up not happy enough with it to get the vocals in. This is the case with a lot of the stuff I've recorded. Anyway, t's the only Wildhearts song I have ever dared to try to record. It was also done back in the days when I was still using a drum machine, which to me sounds like shit now.
Anthem (aborted instrumental version... no vocals)

One of my original songs... I was ultimately unsatisfied with this one as well, so again, no vocals. I had gotten my drums worked out by this time though.
LoveLeech (aborted instrumental version... no vocals)

Another original. I'm actually happy with this one and might use this instrumental track as is when I get around to recording some vocals.
Al's Malfunction (unfinished instrumental version... no vocals)

And just so you can hear my voice, this is a finished version... but still unsatisfactory for me. It's close, but not quite what I want so it's gonna get a full rework eventually. Also, this is my favorite of all of the songs I've written.
If I Could Be Like Andy '06



For the record: I'm seriously not trying to push my own music here, and if posting it like this is a problem I have no problem with taking it down. I'm honestly just trying to let people know that I'm not a total hack when suggesting they collaborate with me musically.
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Postby geordierussell » 28th May 07, 21:30

That's great stuff.

I have a song in mind, I only began writing it earlier today.

It's called "may as well go to hell" Obv. first draft, but if you could thing of a fairly straight forward drum track for it, I'll try and put the basic guitar part to it.


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x022xx            x044xx

You were never my best friend

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What made you think that

355xxx          355xxx     x0222x

??You may as well just go to hell??



x022xx            x044xx

Ya lied and ya cheated

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And ya think that I missed it

355xxx          355xxx     x0222x

You may as well just go to hell



Chorus

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D'ya think I liked ya

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I fuckin'hated ya

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You may as well just go to hell





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So ya think I loved ya

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You must have been stupid

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Now go and fuck off to hell





D5          E7

I wanted good times

D5          E7

You wanted none

D5        E7

You may have won one battle

D5              D5 x477xx  E7

But I just won the fucking war



I am using Line 6 Guitar port through gearbox, and Logic Pro.
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Postby nuno75 » 28th May 07, 21:33

It'd be a lot easier for me if I could hear a recording of it, however rough...
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Postby geordierussell » 28th May 07, 21:41

I'll knock a rough version up later in the week, as I away until Thursday
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Postby Velvet Presley » 28th May 07, 22:25

I fancy myself as a fairly decent bassist. I've had some fortune in and around Edinburgh doing what basically amounts to session work with bands in the local scene, but I've not got the time to hold a band together properly.

I too write and record, but purely to tape at the moment, and purely for fun because my songs end up as cack handed novelty fair with a fair bass groove. I've had no luck finding a decent recording software.

I think the sort of correspondence tribute album is a cracking idea.

I'd definately fancy participating but the means are more difficult for me than the method.
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Postby nuno75 » 28th May 07, 23:02

Velvet Presley wrote:I fancy myself as a fairly decent bassist. I've had some fortune in and around Edinburgh doing what basically amounts to session work with bands in the local scene, but I've not got the time to hold a band together properly.

I too write and record, but purely to tape at the moment, and purely for fun because my songs end up as cack handed novelty fair with a fair bass groove. I've had no luck finding a decent recording software.

I think the sort of correspondence tribute album is a cracking idea.

I'd definately fancy participating but the means are more difficult for me than the method.


To be able to participate... all you should really need is your bass, an amp, a fairly decent microphone to point at your amp, an adapter to get the mic plugged into your PC, and a little bit of software that you and I can probably speak privately about.


For collaborating, here's how, I assume, it would have to work:

(first and foremost, in collaboration scenarios, it would be very highly preferable to work strictly with digital recording, since analog tape stretches and drags and fucks with your tempo, causing it to be nearly impossible to realistically use in a situation like this)

1. Players get together in groups and decide among themselves which song they want to cover, and how they want to cover it. They should settle on a particular tempo and tuning-scheme to make sure everyone is working from the same template.

2. Once a tempo is settled upon, someone creates a "click-track" mp3 which would be distributed among everyone involved. Each player could then practice their respective parts in time with the click track, and finally record themselves playing along with the click-track. As long as everyone is in tune with each other, and playing along with the click track, and settled upon specific parts of the song and how they're played, their parts should just drop nice and tight on top of each other for mixing.

A few issues with step 2:
a. A live drummer may require some rough/temporary guitar (and maybe vocal) tracks in addition to the click track, in order to properly play his parts.
b. anyone involved must have some sort of multitrack recording software or other means of properly hearing the click-track while simultaneously playing and recording their part WITHOUT RECORDING THE CLICK TRACK AS WELL. This is absolutely vital.

3. A predetermined person will receive all of the recordings (in the highest possible quality... preferably .wav files) and render a rough mix of the whole thing (per group/recording) to send to whomever will be recording the vocals. If such a "mixer" person is not available, I will be able to provide this service to anyone who needs it.

4. Once all of the vocal tracks are done, everything gets sent back to the mixer and he puts it all together into a nice pretty package.

5. Once the whole compilation is recorded and mixed all of the mixed songs will be sent to yet another person (yes, it should be one person for the whole album), to master.... which basically means adjusting each of the tracks so they're all the same volume and all have roughly the same audio dynamics. I can do this as well, but I think in a case like this it might be a good idea to find an actual professional.

6. If we're all happy with the project, maybe we could all pitch in and get a hundred or so CD's pressed and get some nice fancy cover artwork printed up and have something to sit up on the mantle and tell our grandchildren about.



The above steps are very general, and will involve a lot more as far as tiny details go... and I could be totally wrong about the whole thing, and if I am I'd appreciate if someone came along and set me straight.
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Postby scully » 29th May 07, 02:02

Hello. We would luv to be part of this. My band The Barefoot Experience, play around with Jonesing For Jones. We are Australian though but if Home Grown means planet Earth, we'd luv to submit our version.
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Postby nuno75 » 29th May 07, 02:20

scully wrote:Hello. We would luv to be part of this. My band The Barefoot Experience, play around with Jonesing For Jones. We are Australian though but if Home Grown means planet Earth, we'd luv to submit our version.


Then do it. "Homegrown", in this case, means for the most part just regular folks like you and me putting it together... but if Green Day or Backyard Babies decided to jump in as well, I would have no complaints.

As for me, I'm gonna start getting to work on putting one together on my own until some people start chiming in about collaborating.

Maybe once we've got a good sized pile of songs going, we can get a poll going or something to decide which ones are good enough to make the cut.
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