New Flesh chart position prediction

[nuno75]

I, for one, am glad that The Wildhearts still exist and are still putting out new music. I do wish, however, that they could become a relevant force in mainstream music and not, as they're increasingly becoming, an underground band that no one has ever heard of. They deserve to be known and loved by the masses and it bugs the hell out of me that they're not.

So, I'm in the peculiar position of hungrily buying up CD's and concert tickets and tee-shirts while at the same time occasionally smacking myself in the forehead when I hear certain songs or see certain album covers or hear of certain decisions they've made.

[WiredOut]

Totally agree. With the best will in the world, if it can't be bought it won't chart.

I've looked in both Harrogate & York HMV & York Virgin - not a single copy in stock. If York doesn't have it then neither will smaller towns such as Scarborough. It's possible there's not a single copy to be bought in the whole of North Yorkshire. Looks like I'm gonna have to get on a train to Leeds later in the week and hope there's some left somewhere.

Stormy charted so well because of all the post-reformation goodwill, the huge buzz that had accompanied Vanilla Radio, and the fact that all 3 formats had exclusive material. This single is already 6 months old, it's only on 2 formats, there's only one new track to be had, and nobody's bothering to stock it. There's absolutely no buzz about it whatsoever.

I really don't understand this download-only strategy to kick off campaigns. It's been proved time and time again that it simply doesn't work.

Yeah - wait an inexplicable six months, take one of the least interesting songs from the album and release it with a single cover almost indistinguishable from the album's so that you might not notice it even if it was there in a shop and you were actually looking for it.

Wait for world to go on fire. Etc.

oh for fucks sake can the yapping around the cover be wrapped up sometime soon?

How about a week Tuesday?

It actually doesn't bother me much - I stopped believing they'd ever be 'big' in about 2002. It's just that Ginger seems to make statements about moving onto bigger venues, a brighter future for the band etc in which case the handling of the album/single promotion looks pretty cack-handed. I prefer the solo stuff now anyway.

[michelle]

GOOD GOD! I just about choked on the amount of negativity in this thread!

You think he doesn't read this? A far as I'm concerned if it's something you wouldn't be comfortable saying to his face you shouldn't say it at all.

Didn't your moms ever teach you that of you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all? I'm not saying blindly love everything they do, but keep the negative bullshit toned down. He probably doesn't appreciate it.

[nuno75]

GOOD GOD! I just about choked on the amount of negativity in this thread!

You think he doesn't read this? A far as I'm concerned if it's something you wouldn't be comfortable saying to his face you shouldn't say it at all.

Didn't your moms ever teach you that of you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all? I'm not saying blindly love everything they do, but keep the negative bullshit toned down. He probably doesn't appreciate it.

My assumption is that he's looking for feedback, and if there's something negative that we're feeling, he'd want to know about it. I would, were I in his shoes.

[Keith Richard]

GOOD GOD! I just about choked on the amount of negativity in this thread!

You think he doesn't read this? A far as I'm concerned if it's something you wouldn't be comfortable saying to his face you shouldn't say it at all.

Didn't your moms ever teach you that of you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all? I'm not saying blindly love everything they do, but keep the negative bullshit toned down. He probably doesn't appreciate it.

I agree with your sentiments entirely Michelle. If, as folks are stating here, there has been some kind of fuck up with distribution, I'm sure that Ginger would be / is seething. Implying that this is being done on purpose is just fookin dumb!!

[wez_wildheart]

GOOD GOD! I just about choked on the amount of negativity in this thread!

You think he doesn't read this? A far as I'm concerned if it's something you wouldn't be comfortable saying to his face you shouldn't say it at all.

Didn't your moms ever teach you that of you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all? I'm not saying blindly love everything they do, but keep the negative bullshit toned down. He probably doesn't appreciate it.

i think you have just summed up what i was trying to say a million times better than i managed

[JasonH]

GOOD GOD! I just about choked on the amount of negativity in this thread!

You think he doesn't read this? A far as I'm concerned if it's something you wouldn't be comfortable saying to his face you shouldn't say it at all.

Didn't your moms ever teach you that of you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all? I'm not saying blindly love everything they do, but keep the negative bullshit toned down. He probably doesn't appreciate it.

I agree with your sentiments entirely Michelle. If, as folks are stating here, there has been some kind of fuck up with distribution, I'm sure that Ginger would be / is seething. Implying that this is being done on purpose is just fookin dumb!!

Where has anyone implied that it was being done on purpose?
Where is the negativity to the band?
I've heard lots of moans of people not being able to buy the single - this implies a strong willingness to buy Ginger's product and frustration that we can't. So yeah there's an issue with the distribution. What's wrong with sharing that?

For the life of me I can't understand this "everything's brilliant with everything, we should be so grateful" mentality.

Oh yeah OK there was something that could be construed as "negativity" from me, in saying that download-only lead single campaigns simply don't work, unless you're guaranteed constant airplay which 99.99% of bands are not. I've seen loads of bands recently fall flat on their arses trying to promote an album with a download-only single. It's a fact, get over it. The world might be moving towards downloading, but the UK singles market is not yet there for the vast majority of artists. Yes I would say it to Ginger. Was it his decision to go download only for the first single? Who knows. Was it his decision to use a shit distributer for the second single? Not deliberately - of course not.

At the end of the day, every one of us here, and the band, and their management, are on the same side. Are we not allowed to report difficulties with buying the product, so the management can have a re-think before Cargo fk up the next campaign? Would they prefer us to stay silent, so they can't correct it in time for the next release? Would Ginger & co prefer to be left wondering why no-one's buying the single, rather than have the comfort that many people WANTED to buy it but couldn't?

That's not negativity. It's positive feedback.

[DangerousBeans]

Well said Jason H.

Personally i'm desparate to buy the new single but i'm not travelling 40miles and paying £8 Train fare to Glasgow.I haven't heard the new tracks yet either.Until now i've had no problems in Ayr getting any Wildhearts stuff in Virgin or HMV but this time..nothing.

Ordered from HMV online...you know the rest of that story.

[nig1012]

a few of us (me included) have been accused of being negative towards the bands/gingers direction/career moves among other things, over the years but for me personly i've followed the band now for 14 years and i've loved every single second of it.eargerly waiting for every album and single release, playing it to death,buying all the press releases, going to as many gigs as possible(or as many as the mrs would allow) but i do get frustrated (hence the negativity) sometimes but thats because i'm (as you lot are) so passionate about everything ginger does.i think you should have every right to view you feelings on this board, nobody says things malicious about the band/gingers actions to deliberately piss him off. one thing i don't like is when somebody does air a view or concern that some people then bombard them with guilt trips about not getting behind and supporting the band, we bring these things up in the first place "BECAUSE WE CARE" it's not negative, we still go out and buy the single regardless of the cover or the b-sides.we still go to the shows.

i really did think that this album would, not make them "famous" but put them back on the map so to speak, back in peoples faces again,before hearing it more so than TWMBD but i guess even i have given up on that idea now (thats given up on the idea of being a big band ,and not given up on the band itself) at the end of the day ginge is the cockroach of the rock world and as long as he keeps on releasing an album or two a year i'll always be there to support him.

ok rant over and i can't even put it down to being pissed it`s 3:15 in the afternoon and i'm on work in 5 hours

[SteveP]

Right, here's my two pennorth, not that it's really worth that much tbh.

Firstly, at the moment I'm doing some manual labour work for a mate while I attempt to get back into office work after my dismissal from my previous job last year.

He is also a rocker, but likes other stuff too, in the works van, his radio station of choice is Galaxy, now I'm not sure what it's like in the rest of the country, but galaxy north east plays nowt but dance and rnb, and every morning when I get into the van I physcally want to rip the radio out of the dash and toss it out of the window, the tracks they play are so bland and samey and to beat it all, they only have about 15 songs on their playlist, I was unfortunate one day to be working at a house that was listening to galaxy and I heard the same songs 4 times in the 8 hours I was working there.

So, look on the bright side, fans of our genre have heaps more choice and variation in what we listen to, and as for our favourite band/ formerly dreadlocked one, there is so much product that we can choose to listen to, it's unreal.

Secondly, I expect everyone here feels the same, but The Wildhearts are MY band, they are the great band that could be huge, but for various reasons will probably always be unappreciated by the masses, so I feel majorly proud that I am the only person (that I am aware of) that has a Wildhearts t-shirt (never mind the 15-20 that I have, I don't actually know how many I have) in my town.
I am the standard bearer, I carry the torch, I hope that people see me on the street and look at the t-shirt and think 'who are they?' maybe in the vain hope that they'll make a mental note, go home and look them up.

I've had several cracks at 'educating' friends to the band, but none of them will listen to anything longer than one or 2 songs, I've given up now, they can go listen to their Franz Ferdinand, Killers, Maximo Park, Kaiser Chiefs in peace (more blandness anyone???) for all I care.

I wore a Wildhearts t-shirt to Newcastle Arena when I went to see Motley Crue last year, I lost count of the number of people who commented as I was walking around the foyer 'what a great band they are', so the knowledge is definately out there, it's just getting people to bloody buy the stuff, which gets me to what I agree with a fellow poster earlier that the only negativity I have about the band, is the poor distribution this single seems to have had, whether it be online or in the shops.

Hope that all made sense, not the ramble that I usually write when I get on me soapbox

[Sheffield_Si]

Got email confirmation earlier this evening that my New Flesh CD single, that I ordered from hmv.com, is in the post So even though it will be caught up in the post strike, and it probably won't arrive till the middle of next week, at least my vote hasd been cast

Buying singles for me isn't about the B sides or owning every single thing The Wildhearts put out; it's more about casting my vote and, if enough people vote, then maybe the single will chart and The Wildhearts might get that little bit more Radio and TV exposure.

So get out there and vote - there's still time!

One further thought... I don't know how it all works but I'd have thought cds bought from high street shops or big online retailers like amazon and hmv are more likely to count towards the chart than those bought directly from Cargo, that was part of my rationale for going to hmv.com anyway

[Chris Davies]

So everyone is getting theres from hmv ..... I feel as if its typical the day after I cancelled my order with them and I ordered with cargo , ah well I'm getting the cd any 7" is all that matters , whats £2? a pint in a workermans club if your lucky ? Or even a bus to my town costs me £3.20 whatta rip

[fluffygrue]

Doesn't look like it made the Top 100.

Wasn't really expecting it to get into the top 40, but yikes. :/

[Sheffield_Si]

hmmmmmm

Ooooops!

[geordierussell]

As fluffygrue said, not even top 100. http://www.theofficialcharts.com/top40_singles.php
WHAT A FUCKIN' DISGRACE.

Yet there is a shed load(9) of songs from some crap Disney Grease wannabe show in the charts.

As I said earlier

WHAT A FUCKIN' DISGRACE.