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Postby SiN1758 » 13th Nov 07, 20:34

Ean wrote:
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Ean wrote:I think Ginger once said that everything he does is tuned down except for the SG5 stuff 'cos it sounds 'happier'.


Is it my imagination, or is Yoni in standard tuning as well?


Ok, you got me. I think I read it in something from waay before the recent solo stuff. I just realised GAB is in standard tuning too.

Just ignore me. :oops:


No worries, tbh I've not tried to play anything off Yoni yet - so couldn't say for certain. I'm pretty sure someone tabbed it back when the rough version of Black Windows got put onto Ginger's myspaz and said that it was in standard tuning.

If not, ignore me as well...... 8)
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Postby spoon_of_grimbo » 13th Nov 07, 22:27

i may be mistaken but isn't all the "must be destroyed"-era material in standard? i seem to remember someone making a comment about that on Ask Ginger, and he said it's because the world needs happier music now or something...
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Postby nuno75 » 14th Nov 07, 01:17

Just to be absolutely clear here, what I'm talking about is not just a matter of "tune your guitar up/down a halfstep and it sounds just fine".

The album "PHUQ" is indeed tuned a half-step low, but that's irrelvant. "I Wanna Go Where The People Go" is technically in the key of A flat... but according to the fretboard, it is in the key of A, meaning when you play it, no matter what your tuning is, your first note should be the A-string, open. Similarly, "Nita Nitro" is technically in the key of E, but according to the fretboard it is in F. Meaning that when you get to that main repeating riff with the driving beat, you should be making a power chord from the first fret of your E-string and the third fret of your A-string. F, F, F, F, FFF, F, F, F AAAA....

See, I always tune a full step lower than standard... meaning a half-step lower than PHUQ, but I always make it a point to play the songs the way they were written, rather try to find the different spots on the fretboard so it's in the same key. That just means that every song I play from PHUQ is actually a half-step lower than it is on the album. That's my preference because my vocal range doesn't go quite as high as Ginger's anyway.

For me, first fret E-string always means F... even if I'm tuned down and technically it's E-flat. Open A-string always means A. That means that "I Wanna Go..." is played in A, even though on the album it is in the key of A-flat and when I play it it's in the key of G. It's still that open A-string because honestly... it would be damn near impossible to play otherwise. Same goes for Nita Nitro. If you're playing that riff on your open E-String rather than on the first fret... there is a crucial chord in the choruis that you are definitely either not hitting at all or hitting wrong. If I recall, the tab that I've seen for it calls for that low E (in the key of F) to actually be played as a high D (In the key of E) which is wrong for two very important reasons: 1. It shouldn't be a high chord of any sort. Clearly we hear it is a lower chord than the one that came before it and 2. Even in the key of E, that chord should not be a D, but rather an E-flat.

By the way, if you've heard this a shrill shreaking rant, it's not meant to be that way. I'm really just trying to be informative.

For demonstration purposes, here again is my own recording of "Nita Nitro" played technically in the key of E-flat, one half-step lower than The Wildhearts' version and played in the key of F according to the fretboard.

Nita Nitro (Unfinished Instrumental Mix)
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Postby geordierussell » 14th Nov 07, 03:26

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Postby nuno75 » 14th Nov 07, 07:20

Sorry about that. It's fixed now.
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Postby lemon & ginger » 14th Nov 07, 11:41

See, I always tune a full step lower than standard... meaning a half-step lower than PHUQ, but I always make it a point to play the songs the way they were written, rather try to find the different spots on the fretboard so it's in the same key. That just means that every song I play from PHUQ is actually a half-step lower than it is on the album. That's my preference because my vocal range doesn't go quite as high as Ginger's anyway.


Say what? I have not got a clue what that all means. Also, what does play the songs the way they were written mean? How do you know what they were like when written, people change the way they play a song and watching a DVD to see how they play it live is not necessarily the way it was written.

Anyway I'm pleased someone is attempting to tab it all. And to re-iterate - good luck
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Postby nuno75 » 14th Nov 07, 12:53

lemon & ginger wrote:
See, I always tune a full step lower than standard... meaning a half-step lower than PHUQ, but I always make it a point to play the songs the way they were written, rather try to find the different spots on the fretboard so it's in the same key. That just means that every song I play from PHUQ is actually a half-step lower than it is on the album. That's my preference because my vocal range doesn't go quite as high as Ginger's anyway.


Say what? I have not got a clue what that all means. Also, what does play the songs the way they were written mean? How do you know what they were like when written, people change the way they play a song and watching a DVD to see how they play it live is not necessarily the way it was written.

Anyway I'm pleased someone is attempting to tab it all. And to re-iterate - good luck


Basically, it means... watch a video or something and SEE how the band plays it. That's roughly how it should be played. If you''ve decided to learn how to play "Seek And Destroy", but your guitar is tuned different than the Metallica's were... go ahead and tune with Metallica to learn it... and then tune back to your own way to play. Trying to play "Seek And Destroy" based off of first-fret E is a whole different ball game then playing it based on open E.
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Postby lemon & ginger » 14th Nov 07, 14:14

What about playing it like the tab suggests then tinkering with it til it sounds right? You don't need DVDs and freeze frame etc. just your ears.
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Postby Ross » 14th Nov 07, 14:58

I just retue my guitar. Takes about two or three minutes...

I was having a similar discussion on another music forum and the conclusion was, as long as everyone who's playing has their strings tuned to the same notes, who cares what the original sounds like. You could be in C, D, Eb or some weird and wonderful made up tuning, as long as it sounds ok, then go for it!
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Postby geordierussell » 14th Nov 07, 19:02

Ross wrote:I just retue my guitar. Takes about two or three minutes...

I was having a similar discussion on another music forum and the conclusion was, as long as everyone who's playing has their strings tuned to the same notes, who cares what the original sounds like. You could be in C, D, Eb or some weird and wonderful made up tuning, as long as it sounds ok, then go for it!


Couldn't agree more. However some learners Tab are an excellent starting point.
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Postby nuno75 » 14th Nov 07, 23:39

It's all good. I didn't mean for that to come across as some kind of hard rule everyone should follow. I prefer to do it that way just because it's usually the most natural and comfortable way to play it. But then again... if a song is a half step higher or lower than the way it was recorded, it tends to make little or no difference to me.

I'm still curious as to how you guys are hitting that E-flat though.
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Postby Ean » 14th Nov 07, 23:46

nuno75 wrote:I'm still curious as to how you guys are hitting that E-flat though.

We're all using seven stringers with a low B, aren't you? :wink:
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Postby nuno75 » 15th Nov 07, 00:56

Ean wrote:
nuno75 wrote:I'm still curious as to how you guys are hitting that E-flat though.

We're all using seven stringers with a low B, aren't you? :wink:


You're not gonna believe this... but...

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Postby sonicshake » 15th Nov 07, 10:29

Oooooh, weeeird...

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Postby Ean » 15th Nov 07, 14:00

nuno75 wrote:
Ean wrote:
nuno75 wrote:I'm still curious as to how you guys are hitting that E-flat though.

We're all using seven stringers with a low B, aren't you? :wink:


You're not gonna believe this... but...

Wow, that one backfired... :shock:

Who knew...
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